Comments on: Beginner Lesson S2 #39 - Emotions: You Can’t Fathom Doing More Than a Single Thing in Germany without First Learning This! http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/ Learn German with Free Podcasts Whether you are student or a seasoned speaker, our lessons offer something for everyone. We incorporate culture and current issues into each episode to give the most informative, both linguistically and culturally, podcasts possible. For those of you with just the plane ride to prepare, check our survival phrase series at GermanPod101.com. One of these phrases just might turn your trip into the best one ever! Thu, 17 May 2012 22:12:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: Nevena http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21238 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:24:27 +0000 http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21238 Oh mein Gott! I suppose this is flexible German grammar, that we should love so much :wink: Thanks Judith for the explanation, thanks Salivia for a huge effort! So this is Genitive + Dative combination (I got it), but I suppose this is not linked to two attributes that have to be put together. (Die Schlüssel findest du in meinem roten Koffer). Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks for everything, N. Oh mein Gott! I suppose this is flexible German grammar, that we should love so much :wink:
Thanks Judith for the explanation, thanks Salivia for a huge effort!

So this is Genitive + Dative combination (I got it), but I suppose this is not linked to two attributes that have to be put together. (Die Schlüssel findest du in meinem roten Koffer). Please, correct me if I’m wrong.

Thanks for everything,
N.

]]> by: Salivia_Baker http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21237 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:49:42 +0000 http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21237 oops *hide in shame* :-X oops *hide in shame*

:-X

]]> by: Judith http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21235 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:37:08 +0000 http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21235 No, this is a different thing. Look at the English: "in one of your suitcases". This means that "one" should be Dative (because it follows 'in') and "your" should be Genitive (because of the 'of'). einem and deiner have nothing do with each other, they are different cases. Here's another example to make it more clear: "in einem Auto deiner Firma" (in one car of your company -> in one of your company's cars). einem Auto = Dative because of the 'in' deiner Firma = Genitive because it shows possession When saying "in einem deiner Koffer", the "einem" is really an abbreviation for "einem Koffer". "in einem Koffer deiner Koffer" -> in one suitcase of your suitcases. No, this is a different thing. Look at the English: “in one of your suitcases”. This means that “one” should be Dative (because it follows ‘in’) and “your” should be Genitive (because of the ‘of’). einem and deiner have nothing do with each other, they are different cases.

Here’s another example to make it more clear: “in einem Auto deiner Firma” (in one car of your company -> in one of your company’s cars).
einem Auto = Dative because of the ‘in’
deiner Firma = Genitive because it shows possession

When saying “in einem deiner Koffer”, the “einem” is really an abbreviation for “einem Koffer”. “in einem Koffer deiner Koffer” -> in one suitcase of your suitcases.

]]> by: Salivia_Baker http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21234 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:29:23 +0000 http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21234 Yes you are absolutely right. It doesn't make sense. I found the rules (with the endings) and now see how you got to the "in einem deinen Koffer". But I guess having an article followed by a pronoun is as exception and you cannot simply put one after the other. You also use deiner when using neuter nouns: In einem deiner Häuser For feminine it's different: In einer deiner Flaschen. But only the article changed. The pronoun stayed the same. Let's go through all pronouns: In einem meiner Koffer In einem deiner Koffer In einem seiner Koffer In einem ihrer Koffer In einem unserer Koffer In einem eurer Koffer they all take the form of the feminine pronoun. Maybe always use the feminine pronoun after an article in the dative as a rule? I looked again but still couldn't find some rules on this to make sure. I am so sorry that I cannot help you here. Yes you are absolutely right. It doesn’t make sense.
I found the rules (with the endings) and now see how you got to the “in einem deinen Koffer”. But I guess having an article followed by a pronoun is as exception and you cannot simply put one after the other. You also use deiner when using neuter nouns: In einem deiner Häuser
For feminine it’s different: In einer deiner Flaschen. But only the article changed. The pronoun stayed the same.
Let’s go through all pronouns:
In einem meiner Koffer
In einem deiner Koffer
In einem seiner Koffer
In einem ihrer Koffer
In einem unserer Koffer
In einem eurer Koffer
they all take the form of the feminine pronoun.

Maybe always use the feminine pronoun after an article in the dative as a rule?
I looked again but still couldn’t find some rules on this to make sure.

I am so sorry that I cannot help you here.

]]> by: Nevena http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21232 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:45:21 +0000 http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21232 Thanks Salivia :) Yeah, you are right, too many words for a single thing ;) It was confusing for me, as deiner is dative for feminine and einem is dative for masculine :/ But I will stick to what you said. It does work for me at the moment... if there is any other comment about it, please post the link :) Thanks a lot, again, N. Thanks Salivia :)

Yeah, you are right, too many words for a single thing ;) It was confusing for me, as deiner is dative for feminine and einem is dative for masculine :/
But I will stick to what you said. It does work for me at the moment… if there is any other comment about it, please post the link :)

Thanks a lot, again,
N.

]]> by: Salivia_Baker http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21223 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:06:24 +0000 http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21223 Sorry Nevena, cases are not my strong suit. deinen Koffer would be accusative while einem is dative. Don't go and mix cases. article and such have to be all in the same case. You can have two cases after one another but that would go too far right now. In front of the noun (what belongs to it such as article, attributes etc.) has to be in one case and every word has to be put in it. A lot of effort for indicating only one thing, ey? Anyway I sadly don't have the rules at hand for changes according to the cases but maybe somebody else has. Sorry Nevena, cases are not my strong suit.

deinen Koffer would be accusative while einem is dative. Don’t go and mix cases. article and such have to be all in the same case. You can have two cases after one another but that would go too far right now. In front of the noun (what belongs to it such as article, attributes etc.) has to be in one case and every word has to be put in it. A lot of effort for indicating only one thing, ey?
Anyway I sadly don’t have the rules at hand for changes according to the cases but maybe somebody else has.

]]> by: Nevena http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21216 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:27:07 +0000 http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-21216 :smile: Good point Salivia :) One more thing: It's written in pdf: "in einem deiner Koffer". Why not "einem deinen Koffer....it's a bit verwirrend... Thanks :) N. :smile: Good point Salivia :)
One more thing: It’s written in pdf: “in einem deiner Koffer”. Why not “einem deinen Koffer….it’s a bit verwirrend…

Thanks :)
N.

]]> by: salivia_baker http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-9587 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:10:47 +0000 http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-9587 sollte der gast im Hotel nicht sagen "Lassen Sie mich mal sehen" anstatt "Lasst mich mal sehen"? sollte der gast im Hotel nicht sagen “Lassen Sie mich mal sehen” anstatt “Lasst mich mal sehen”?

]]> by: Chuck http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-9248 Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:01:53 +0000 http://www.germanpod101.com/2009/12/07/beginner-lesson-s2-39-emotions-you-cant-fathom-doing-more-than-a-single-thing-in-russia-without-first-learning-this/#comment-9248 I think they were all great. I work 24 hour shifts as an EMT on an ambulance and listening to germanpod these past several months have really helped me make it thru alot of long nights ( plus my german has really improved lol! ). Thanks Guys! I think they were all great. I work 24 hour shifts as an EMT on an ambulance and listening to germanpod these past several months have really helped me make it thru alot of long nights ( plus my german has really improved lol! ). Thanks Guys!

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